Posts by Had Enough

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Further adventures with Mom

by Mulan in

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yesterday my brother came to visit for the day, so we could visit our stepfather in the nursing home, and our cousin in the hospital, and we went to lunch, and came back to my house, picked up our 87 year old father, who lives with me, and went to visit our 88 year old mother, dad's ex-wife.

they get along great......now!!

all of us are ex dubs, (not mom) and brother dear is df'd, but only for 23 years, ha hahahaha.

Had Enough

Hi Mulan:

I so understand your frustration with your mom. I haven't even tried to talk to my mom about what I've learned since I stopped attending meetings for a couple reasons....we could never talk on any thinking level at all that wasn't of WTS origin and we just were never close enough to really have one-on-one mother-daughter talks ever anyway.

As for having any intellectual discussions with her I soon realized how much more entrenched she had become when she visited us one time. My husband liked to watch "Mysteries of the Bible" and other documentaries of Bible times because he always wanted to know what the Bible taught but didn't like the way our pubs. always seemed so slanted one way and explanations didn't seem logical. So I enjoyed watching it with him at first to pick out their errors and then when I was just starting to question things, I began to see other explanations for things recorded.

So, when that show came on TV, she practically jumped out of her chair to get away when they started reading a passage from the Bible about an event. It didn't matter that it was coming from the Bible, it just wasn't coming from the pubs. so it can't be true. We just shook our heads and I was embarassed that my husband felt it necessary to change the channel to keep her calm.

Another time, when we were sitting outside at my in-laws,' my sweet non-JW father-in-law thought he would be nice to my mom and play his gospels tape for her. When she realized what they were, she again practically jumped out of her chair again to get away...I guess the music was mysteriously going to give her leprousy or something. But again, I was embarassed to try to explain to him that because it wasn't 'her' religious music, she felt it was bad to listen to his.

Maybe all we can do sometimes is just shake our heads and let them keep their heads in the clouds. I know, given my mom's age and medical condition, she'll never be able to grasp anything controversial about the borg. now. She can't even grasp their own changes like the 'generation' thing.

But you never know, perhaps something you folks say to your mom may not register right now, but maybe later something may happen to trigger the memory of something said, and "the bells and whistles may go off in her head". I hope so for your sake.

For me, it's too late with my mom.

Had Enough

27

Well!

by biblexaminer in

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i would like to note two things here.

one: i wrote a paper on the correct understanding of matthew ch.

24. this paper was snail mailed all over, emailed too.

Had Enough

Hello biblexaminer:

I wonder how the CO is explaining this teaching....is he telling them its "new light" or using their famous "doublespeak" to explain it away that we, the r&f, all had it wrong and they are now correcting us.

Would you email me a copy also please? Most interesting!

Thanks for your post.

Had Enough

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Reposting JUSTICE SERIES

by Amazing in

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hi everyone: many on this forum have not read my justice series.

so, in addition to my "deceptive jw elders" and "taking our life back" series, i plan to repost my 13 justice series that were originally posted on h20.

(there are actually 16 cases if you count #4a through 4d separately.

Had Enough

Hello NewLight2:

To go back further to older postings and pages, just look up to the top right of your screen and see the box "Show topics from last 10 days". Hit the arrow beside that and click onto the choice of "Show topics from the last 30 days".

That will take you back further.

Then to find the "Deceptive Jw Elders" thread, try clicking onto the "search" button in the top right corner and type in the topic name. That should take you right to the post.

Hope this helps

Had Enough

I forgot to add: After you hit the search button, you also have the option of "limit to".... hit the arrow and extend your search past 7 days say to 1 month...that gives you 4 pages to go to.

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securesites?

by Moxy in

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the wt sites appeared to be down yesterday and now theyre up (could be any number of reasons) - now i dont look thru the site very regularly so i dont know if this is new but the site contact tool has been moved behind a secure ssl layer using this securesites.com and in fact, the entire site is accessible thru it:.

https://watch001.securesites.com/index.html.

just curious why they would need ssl.

Had Enough

If you click onto the Media alert to the email registration form to fill out, you will see at the bottom of the page under the "submit" button, the "Your Privacy" button to click onto and that page says in part:

Your Privacy
Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watch Tower Society are committed to protecting your privacy. We use the information you submit to process your request. Please read on for more details about our privacy policy.
What information do we collect? How do we use it?
We need to know your name and E-mail address. This allows us to process and fulfill your request.
How does Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania (Watch Tower) protect information?
When you submit information, we offer the use of a secure server. The secure server software (SSL) encrypts all information you input before it is sent to us. Furthermore, all the data supplied is protected against unauthorized access.

One difference I did notice is that the pictures on the first page accessed are different depending on how you access them. The old one (from my favorites connection) still shows the picture of the man praying in the top left corner, but the page I get using your URL is identical in layout but the pictures are different.

Curious...

Also I can access that form registration and the "your privacy" notice from both sources but your way has the ssl icon and from my "favorites" there is no ssl icon.

More curious...hmmm

Had Enough

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securesites?

by Moxy in

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the wt sites appeared to be down yesterday and now theyre up (could be any number of reasons) - now i dont look thru the site very regularly so i dont know if this is new but the site contact tool has been moved behind a secure ssl layer using this securesites.com and in fact, the entire site is accessible thru it:.

https://watch001.securesites.com/index.html.

just curious why they would need ssl.

Had Enough

Hi Moxy:

I have their website in my "favorites" so I went to their site via that way and the site didn't show an ssl icon but through your link it did.

I did notice though, that clicking onto "Media" button, that page had this button to click onto called:

Media alert
Notification via E-mail for journalists when new information is posted on jw-media.org.

So I clicked and it is for journalists to send their email addresses to the HQs, to receive JW news releases, and it says it is ssl protected for the journalists' privacy.

I don't know if the "Media Alert" selection is a new one or not. Can't remember from my past visit there.

Does this help?

Had Enough

14

More Notes from 2001District Conv.---Sunday

by LostMyReligion in

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here are some of the spiritual gems i gleaned from sunday's sessions.. symposium on book of malachi:.

points in which we can magnify jehovah.

do not be like priests at mal.1:13 to whom temple service was a burden.

Had Enough

Seeker:

I was just ready to post when I saw your reply. It echoes mine exactly.

I have seen so much of that lately, as LMR said in the shunning explanation and the blood issue (they don't df anyone but one taking blood exhibits their own desire to da themselves. HA) Those are just a few of the "couching of their words" that they do.

Thank you LMR for your summaries....I know what I have to "look forward to" in a couple of weeks. I can just see the wheels of my families' minds turning when they see the drama, since I still associate with my da'd son. I wonder now if they will try harder on me to "re-activate" myself or what will be the result of this schpeel.

It does seem like a lot of the same old stuff just more of it and pushed harder. I too see the internal rumblings having the affect of a harder line being taken.

Thanks for the preview LMR

Had Enough

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1961 WT on Blood and today's "light"

by qwerty in

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we've all been given the new advanced health "care" directive at our book groups.

talk about feeling pressured into a situation.

we have to take forms home, read them, tick what medical care info our consciense will allow if we are in a life or death situation.

Had Enough

Good Morning (my time) qwerty and MacHislopp:

Thank you for responding to me.

My reason for asking about getting the form was I wondered if I should be expecting one to be brought around to me and I guess I thought that might depend on if they still considered me a JW.

In the elders' eyes, I'm just inactive because I'm emotionally and physically worn out from the stress of my son being da'd, my work and helping out with parent and in-laws who need a lot of medical attention...and...I want it to stay that way because of family members still "in".

BUT at the same time I don't want to be held to a doctrine I now have come to learn so much more about...the actual truth about...and so that lead me to wonder what they would consider my status to be.

Wondering about my status was prompted by a thread by Josh about how service hours affect your status in the cong. The comment was made that if one does not hand in any service time, they are considered inactive, not considered as a JW, and not counted in the monthly/yearly statistics as a JW. So then it was asked how can they df you if you're not considered a JW.

That lead me to ask how can they hold you to 'no blood', if you're not considered a JW.

qwerty you said:

Depends on how or why you are inactive, in the elders eyes that is! If you managed to get away from the Org intact (without any labels) then you are a considered witnesses at the time of disobeying the blood doctrine, then they would say you have disassociated yourself by your actions. Aren't they crafty! it's one way of getting rid of you been known as a JW, especially if you are considered an Apostate.

I guess down deep I knew that, but wondered if there was a technical way around it.

Yes they are crafty. What doublespeak to say they don't df anyone for taking blood (for the sake of the public image) but anyone doing so is considered as da'ing himself. Crafty AND stupid.

Thank you again for providing this info for us all. I'm gathering quite a collection of their nonsense for myself.

Had Enough

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1961 WT on Blood and today's "light"

by qwerty in

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we've all been given the new advanced health "care" directive at our book groups.

talk about feeling pressured into a situation.

we have to take forms home, read them, tick what medical care info our consciense will allow if we are in a life or death situation.

Had Enough

Hi everyone:

Just wondering if anyone on line tonight has answers to my question I asked this afternoon on this thread?

Thanks

Had Enough

12

You have three minutes - talk fast!

by expatbrit in

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alright, i'm fed up with the shit going all one way!.

today i had my periodic phone conversation with the family back in the uk.

as usual, they veered the conversation around to "the truth".. "did you go to the meeting?

Had Enough

Hello Expatbrit and fellow Canuck:

I understand your frustration and enthusiasm to "hit'em with both barrels" but I truly feel another approach might get you further.

Instead of outright bombarding them,which would only serve to put their defenses up and an immediate wall between you all, please consider this approach I came across.

If you were to write them about some "questions" some "worldly people" have asked you about things you can't answer, and so ask them how would they answer them....and not with WT articles but with the Bible...perhaps their search might get them thinking when they can't find the answers. It would take some work by you to find the subjects but we have here a wealth of info that is contradictory in the WTS doctrines .

I got this idea from a post on freeminds and have since found out that it was written by our own 'Amazing'. It's at:
http://www.freeminds.org/psych/exithelp.htm

He used this approach with his children once he found the WTS was false in its teachings. He records his sample discussions with them.

I found this fascinating and so productive because it didn't put them on the defensive like an outright bombardment of "facts" would. That approach would just serve to close your parents minds to any gems you would have for them.

Please consider this approach instead and visit that website to see what I'm referring to.

Hope this helps....

Had enough

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Report on Jacksonville losing WT convention

by expatbrit in

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city loses big convention .

by bill johnson, special to the daily record.

wash your car, it will rain.

Had Enough

Hello all:

I went to teejay's recommended site of the newspaper article on this subject. I found this interesting:

In addition," he said, "the entire cost of the rental for the facilities was being given back to them [Watchtower] through a grant from the city's Tourist Development Council."

Now does this grant, that would be given to the WTS, mean that this savings would be passed on to the convention-goers? or would they be told as usual in the financial report reading, that "they were in the red at that moment and trusted the brothers' contributions, by the end of the convention, would cover their expenses for this facility".?

Don't we all get that same "report" at assemblies?

I just can't fatham all this drivel we all swallowed, nodding our heads in approval as they read this stuff from the platform.

Had Enough (and better log out now for awhile before my blood pressure goes beyond the point of no return)